'Rude' police punishing middle classes to hit Home Office targets

[UnMarked]

Well it did take him 30 years to work out the mistake of yonks ago ..... - sorry babe

Clearly, I'm a slow learner

 

[recycled]

Actually, I really disagree here. My experience (as is many others) is that the Police force is full of bad apples only separated by the minority who do a fantastic job.

The Telegraph report clearly shows this is indeed the case as nationwide the Police simply can't be bothered with crime unless they think its an easy clear up for their stats. Thats not good policing nor is it doing "a fantastic job".

my experience too. and i have not been to north yorkshire, so it may be different there, but then i may be in the minority

 

[recycled]

I personally don't think the roads are that heavily policed. .
?

if there is any other aspect of normal life that is more policed than the roads, i will like to know.
except special events like riots, football matches. et.c what else?

 

[st4]

my experience too.

And one even echoed not so long here. Wasn't a posters cousin attacked for the keys on a BMW, the cops showed up 4hrs later. My mother called 999 2 years back when she saw a fella in the Garden peering through the Windows, they took 3 hrs to arrive.

That same month they got my old man for not wearing his seat belt, it took minutes of him comitting the crime to being caught

 

[recycled]

well maybe some are nice. e.g a fella got mugged and they appeared quick but my own experience, and i have lot. car stolen, burglary, accident on my street, the burglary they never turned up, next door neighbours, car, i had to find that myself, which i did,
accident on my street, 2hrs to turn up.
the ambulance came and was about to go with the victim who was having heart problems but they stopped it to administer breath test

 

[recycled]

The ultimate test will be to punish all motoring offences, any other way except a fine . give the points, give the bans, but no fines.
lets see how many will police the roads then.
Any coincidence that when the treasury was getting 20% taxes from cigarrettes it was not bothered with smoking. now that has reduced to 8% it suddenly is concerned for people to stop smoking.

 

[st4]

The ultimate test will be to punish all motoring offences, any other way except a fine . give the points, give the bans, but no fines.
lets see how many will police the roads then.
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I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Sp!ke]

Any coincidence that when the treasury was getting 20% taxes from cigarrettes it was not bothered with smoking. now that has reduced to 8% it suddenly is concerned for people to stop smoking.

But I thought the duty keeps going up and up on fags?

 

[recycled]

But I thought the duty keeps going up and up on fags?

it is but they have revenue coming from elsewhere so they are not bothered and the amount from fags is not as significant as before
but since people can claim for skytv and renovating kitchens, when others have to pay for theirs, why should i believe a word from their mouths.
As they all claim we acted withing the rules. but who makes these rules,
thats right, them,
it shows that in all policies, cash is king. go where the money is and sod all else.

 

[Dieselman]

Any coincidence that when the treasury was getting 20% taxes from cigarrettes it was not bothered with smoking. now that has reduced to 8% it suddenly is concerned for people to stop smoking.

huh..??


With the Tobacco Manufacturers' Association estimating the average packet of 20 cigarettes to cost £5.23 in July 2004, Tobacco Duty is responsible for around 80 per cent of the retail price.

That was with a duty of £158 per kg, now it's £163 so an even greater percentage.

And some moan about road fuel duty...

 

[Colin_b]

So should these tax-payers be exempt from statute? Or should the un-worked, unwashed and uncaring masses be the only ones 'targeted' by the police?

It is interesting to see how attitudes to the police have changed over the last 5 or 6 years, particularly among the law abiding classes.

A few years ago most percieved the police were on their side, and respected the police and the job they did. Nowdays it is quite common for the 'middle classes' to view the police much less favourably, many much less polite than that.

Seems to be based principally on percieved desire to part drivers from their money by 'petty' enforcement of parking, speeding and the like. Add a reluctance to actually investigate minor crimes, likewise percieved.

Not entirely fair, as much of the enforcement has been privatised, by the police are seen as the 'law', so get the blame.

They don't see most of the police work (spend a couple of hours in a custody suite, as an observer, for an interesting view of our society.)

I rather feel the police are getting caught between the rock of 'something must be done' politics and the hard place of targets, revenue raising and costcutting. This is resulting in more negative press, as in the root here.

 

[Dieselman]

,
accident on my street, 2hrs to turn up.
the ambulance came and was about to go with the victim who was having heart problems but they stopped it to administer breath test

They did the right thing then. One the driver wasn't in imminent danger otherwise it would've happened and two he may have been over the limit so did need testing.

I've known the Police be delayed getting to a fatal RTA but also known them be very quick in attending a life threatening assault.
In the first case it didn't matter, in the second it did.

 

[st4]

It is interesting to see how attitudes to the police have changed over the last 5 or 6 years, particularly among the law abiding classes.

A few years ago most percieved the police were on their side, and respected the police and the job they did. Nowdays it is quite common for the 'middle classes' to view the police much less favourably, many much less polite than that.

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A bit tounge and cheek here but that view didn't come from nowhere, and is based on peoples past, and now present, experiences with the police. Anyone I speak to who has delt with the police recently, has had a negative experience.

I have had good ones too, ranging from a run home, assistance when I was lost, and taking a statement when I reported to them someone in a bar offered me drugs. Whether they followed up on it is an unknown, but they seemed keen to get the info and I didn't feel fobbed off. All of these involved Grampian Police. It may be the case that some forces are better than others as people seem "fonder" of the police up in that part of the world.

 

[Dieselman]

and taking a statement when I reported to them someone in a bar offered me drugs.

Was he dealing on your patch then...

 

[recycled]

huh..??


With the Tobacco Manufacturers' Association estimating the average packet of 20 cigarettes to cost £5.23 in July 2004, Tobacco Duty is responsible for around 80 per cent of the retail price.

That was with a duty of £158 per kg, now it's £163 so an even greater percentage.

And some moan about road fuel duty...

seems you do not understand me.
i am talking about percentage of total government revenue collected, not revenue from cigarrettes only per packet sale, but revenue of ciggies as a percentage of total revenue generated by the government

 

[recycled]

They did the right thing then. One the driver wasn't in imminent danger otherwise it would've happened and two he may have been over the limit so did need testing.

I've known the Police be delayed getting to a fatal RTA but also known them be very quick in attending a life threatenting assault.
In the first case it didn't matter, in the second it did.

i never said they did not, but one turned up eating a burger on the scene of the accident.cheeky or what

 

[Dieselman]

But I thought the duty keeps going up and up on fags?

Obviously I wasn't alone.

Can you substantiate the 20% figure it seems amazingly high. That's about he same tax take as income tax.

 

[st4]

Was he dealing on your patch then...

 

[Sp!ke]

seems you do not understand me.
i am talking about percentage of total government revenue collected, not revenue from cigarrettes only per packet sale, but revenue of ciggies as a percentage of total revenue generated by the government

Are you trying to say that tax on cigarettes once equated to 20% of the governments total revenue?

I find that a real struggle to comprehend.

 

[Dieselman]

Are you trying to say that tax on cigarettes once equated to 20% of the governments total revenue?

I find that a real struggle to comprehend.

It was all the test Beagles. They paid their tax like good doggies...