The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[DSM10000]

Resisting arrest is nothing new and in this country does not constitute a reason to shoot dead.
The vehicle could have been disabled and there was already a police helicopter in the air. The reason given for his shooting was not to apprehend the suspect but for the safety of the officers - from getting hit with an (already constrained) vehicle (which never exceeded 12mph).
There was no firearm in the vehicle and both of the driver's hand were visible and empty at the time of the shooting.

Disabled how?

Firing into a vehicle engine bay etc leaves the possibility of ricochet.

The speed the vehicle reached is irrelevant, if the driver had not been shot this would have increased.

The driver could have simply raised his hands and stopped the vehicle. He chose to act aggressively. The Police had to make a decision about protecting themselves and others. Having been involved in an armed incident the previous day the possibility of a weapon being in the vehicle was high, the drivers actions added to that likely threat.

 

[Darrell]

Summary execution in the street then.

Not at all.

 

[TC350]

One more scumbag off the street. The policeman concerned should be given an award.

My heart agrees with you totally. But I fear that an award for the policeman would be poking a lot of angry bears.

 

[TC350]

I was reading about the protests on line last night and of course the Black Lives Matters crowd were there sticking there noses in.

Sasha Johnson shooting: Case against four men collapses

I suspect they were there at the invitation of Kaba's family. It was the family who said that he was only shot because he was black.

 

[DSM10000]

BBC News - Chris Kaba shot man in nightclub days before his death

Chris Kaba shot man in nightclub days before his death

Judge rules details of Chris Kaba’s background can be reported after officer cleared of his murder.

www.bbc.com

Mr Innocent!

 

[Darrell]

Resisting arrest is nothing new and in this country does not constitute a reason to shoot dead.
The vehicle could have been disabled and there was already a police helicopter in the air. The reason given for his shooting was not to apprehend the suspect but for the safety of the officers - from getting hit with an (already constrained) vehicle (which never exceeded 12mph).
There was no firearm in the vehicle and both of the driver's hand were visible and empty at the time of the shooting.

You’re obviously not privy to everything.

 

[Darrell]

I suspect they were there at the invitation of Kaba's family. It was the family who said that he was only shot because he was black.

Really? I’d say that he was shot and killed because he posed a threat to other people.
Oh, and because he was a c**t.

 

[Darrell]

My heart agrees with you totally. But I fear that an award for the policeman would be poking a lot of angry bears.

All part of the fun.

 

[TC350]

Their legal action to name the police officer, as understandable as it may be, should have been successfully blocked by the CPS and by the courts.

In no way do I understand why they insisted on publicly naming the police officer. Unless, of course, it was to increase the chances of that officer being murdered.

That officer's life has been ruined now, with no possibility of complete protection for him and his family.

 

[TC350]

A vehicle can be disabled without having to shoot its driver dead.

How would you suggest they could have done it, in 14 seconds, while it was being used as a battering ram?

 

[mattc]

Summary execution in the street then.

You wanted the car stopped

We could try shotguns with large sabot rounds through the engine block? Remington used to make that sort of round for the US police I believe

Directional EMP pulse killing all electrics?

Stingers (I mean the spiked variety, not the shoulder launch AAM). Probably not "immediate" enough in a close quarter urban environment when shiny buttons can still drive round on the rims.

Of course the mental giant could have just stopped but perhaps he thought he was in a Bad Boys movies and he was going to get away. Whatever he thought I'll not lose sleep over it.

 

[John N]

Resisting arrest is nothing new and in this country does not constitute a reason to shoot dead.
The vehicle could have been disabled and there was already a police helicopter in the air. The reason given for his shooting was not to apprehend the suspect but for the safety of the officers - from getting hit with an (already constrained) vehicle (which never exceeded 12mph).
There was no firearm in the vehicle and both of the driver's hand were visible and empty at the time of the shooting.

The Vehicle had already been involved in an Armed Incident, how many Gangsters do you know that would Challenge Armed Police by waving Weapons at them? The Vehicle could have been carrying the Gangs ****nal in the Cabin or the Boot! A powerful Vehicle is, as has already been stated, a "Dangerous Weapon" in the wrong hands! (Unfortunately many Drivers think they are Faultless) How can you make the Decision on behalf of a Very Highly Trained Firearms Officer, that the Incident would NOT have caused harm, injury and or Death to the other Police Officers and the Public that were most probably "Rubber Necking" and taking Videos?

 

[Darrell]

In no way do I understand why they insisted on publicly naming the police officer. Unless, of course, it was to increase the chances of that officer being murdered.

That officer's life has been ruined now, with no possibility of complete protection for him and his family.

Not just an officers life. The rest of his family will be affected also.

The officer will now have to be taken off duty meaning the Met have lost a body and a sharpshooter. All that money for training down the toilet.

In my view it all could have been avoided but because the woke people on the side of the prosecution feel they have to appease the black community this is now where we are at.

 

[TC350]

Resisting arrest is nothing new and in this country does not constitute a reason to shoot dead.

The officer did not have the intention of killing. That wasn't his reason for firing. His (successful) intention was to stop the vehicle.

 

[Darrell]

I’m sure the Police Federation will be advising and helping the police officer.

 

[TC350]

I’m sure the Police Federation will be advising and helping the police officer.

Kaba's family will probably be getting far more help and advise, much of it paid for out of our taxes!

 

[Darrell]

Kaba's family will probably be getting far more help and advise, much of it paid for out of our taxes!

Of course they will.

 

[st13phil]

The officer did not have the intention of killing. That wasn't his reason for firing. His (successful) intention was to stop the vehicle.

Just to keep things in perspective because, despite the efforts of those (BLM, etc.) who wish to propagate the idea that things are like they are in America and that our police are trigger-happy racial bigots, able to kill with impunity, there really isn't any evidence to support that.

Since 2010, British police have shot dead 30 people. In two consecutive years, 2012-13 and 2013-14, not a single person was fatally shot by police in the UK. In 2022-23, it was three while in 2023-24, it was two.

 

[mattc]

Just to keep things in perspective because, despite the efforts of those (BLM, etc.) who wish to propagate the idea that things are like they are in America and that our police are trigger-happy racial bigots, able to kill with impunity, there really isn't any evidence to support that.

Since 2010, British police have shot dead 30 people. In two consecutive years, 2012-13 and 2013-14, not a single person was fatally shot by police in the UK. In 2022-23, it was three while in 2023-24, it was two.

Clearly weren't trying hard enough some years then!

Joking apart, that is a remarkably low figure given the total population. Do you have comparable data for other European countries?

 

[MSG2004]

In no way do I understand why they insisted on publicly naming the police officer. Unless, of course, it was to increase the chances of that officer being murdered.

That officer's life has been ruined now, with no possibility of complete protection for him and his family.

I read in the press, the daily Mail that "gangsters put 10k bounty on officers head." Even if that was not the case, there is no valid reason to
name the officer.

There will always be, the 'if the officer did not fire or warning shot etc.' However, it's a split-second decision. With the information we now been made aware of and there is a mass of it, inc the night before "car related to the shooting," the police officer must have had the interl IMO.
What would have happened if the driver had knocked over maimed for life or killed one of more officers and then the police in pursit of the car, that car crashed into a group of people waiting at a bustop or crossing the road?

IMO, being a police officer is hard work these days and I'm not sure if you have seen those "auditor" videos on youtube but some take the piss.
Being an armed officer, IMO, no matter how much training an officer has had, come the real scenario, it happens so, so quickly like a flashing light
and decisions have to be split second.

Two possible outcomes - the officer did not shoot - the driver was trying to get away and no one knew at that stage if the car had weapons in it. - can anyone guarantee that no police officers would have been killed and seriously injured along with any number of the members of the public? The answer is no one can.

The other outcome - the man was shot and killed and a police officer's life was made hell along with those of his loved ones

I heard on the radio that allegedly the dead man's representatives did not want his police history to come to light until after the
"coroners inquest."

I feel for the family of the man that was shot and killed and I equally feel for the officer and his family. Being an armed officer in the UK
is very, very difficult and something I would not do even if I was paid triple what they get..