The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[m80]

Oh, we’ve had the debates many many times. Hours and hours of MPs expensive time spent getting absofinglutely nowhere.

One country scrapped the clock messing 10 years ago.
I haven't hear that they suffered any downside.
And their clocks go backward (to 1984) I'm led to believe.

Asia tend not to be so silly, and are seemingly progressing well enough.

Reece Mog would stop breaking his sun dials.
And I wouldn't need Star to adjust the clock on the 639 (cos I scrapped the Comand).
But I've still got toooo many watches regardless.

 

[m80]

Google fails to help on this one.
But how can we get to pay the same tax on our various pension incomes as Starmer?

Tbh, paying the same tax on property rental and disposal as Raynor would be nice too.

 

[BIGDOG]

Ow's about our MP's deciding on something meaningful.
It would go down in 'istry, it would be remembered oo did it.
It would save loads o' man and woman hours each year.
There would be less confusion, not traditionally a Gov't strongpoint admittedly.
We could be seen as leading the way for Europe and the Americas and Australasia to follow.
Wales and Scotland can please 'emselves.

Scrap this changing clocks twice a year malarky.

Why would Wales and Scotland be excluded?

 

[TC350]

Why would Wales and Scotland be excluded?

Let them make their own decisions

 

[BIGDOG]

Let them make their own decisions

Impractical.

 

[markjay]

Let them make their own decisions

Impractical.

How about this:

"Let them make their own impractical decisions"

 

[MSG2004]

Labour parasites have from the outset appeared to believe that aspirations, a decent amount of savings, and/or owning another property or three is
a criminal offence. Therefore, if you, your other half etc have/are working/ed your balls off in order not to lose your home, build a secure future to
something that rewards you for your hard work and sensible financial management, you should be punched in the teeth and whilst you are down on the ground, kick you in the stomach for daring to remain out of social housing and benefits.

In the Budget, the robotic clown will justify all the BS she will spout just like they are justifying winter fuels full frontal attack on millions of pensioners who dared to remain off benefits.

 

[Darrell]

Labour parasites have from the outset appeared to believe that aspirations, a decent amount of savings, and owning another property or three is
a criminal offence.

Like most of the Labour MP’s then?

 

[m80]

Why would Wales and Scotland be excluded?

I'm not excluding, just recognising that they usually know so much better than Westminster.
It's unlikely that they would want to do as Westminster legislates, or they might well do something different first (minister wise).

 

[BIGDOG]

I'm not excluding, just recognising that they usually know so much better than Westminster.
It's unlikely that they would want to do a Westminster legislates, or they would do something different first (minister wise).

Why on earth would Wales and Scotland wish to be on a different time zone to the rest of the United Kingdom?

Are you trying to crack a joke or are you taking the piss?

 

[MSG2004]

Like most of the Labour MP’s then?

I've not checked the background of most Labour MPs, but those at the top of the food chain may fit into that bracket. However, they have ambitions to make a mark as political clowns, whereas people like me and millions of others are just trying to ensure that we have enough money to heat, eat, and maintain our property. Then millions who are not on benefits but fear struggling or are struggling financially don't fit into the Labour Party's rant of "working person."

Don't forget, the vast majority of politicians will ALWAYS put themselves first regardless of what the rant on about - therefore if MP's/ministers are taxed more, most likely they can better afford it on the 90k plus wages plus often a free rental or 190 a night hotel room/etc. Don't forget, the basic salary of n MP is over 90 thousand quid of my/your, taxpayers money

 

[m80]

Why on earth would Wales and Scotland wish to be on a different time zone to the rest of the United Kingdom?

Until recently they were on a different planet.
Being 1 hour different from England seems very moderate in comparison

Are you trying to crack a joke or are you taking the piss?

Could be.
Do you take everything in our world literally?

My not wishing to offend anyone, tooo much, I find if I take everything seriously that we must endure my Guinness intake becomes excessive.

 

[markjay]

Labour parasites have from the outset appeared to believe that aspirations, a decent amount of savings, and/or owning another property or three is
a criminal offence. Therefore, if you, your other half etc have/are working/ed your balls off in order not to lose your home, build a secure future to
something that rewards you for your hard work and sensible financial management, you should be punched in the teeth and whilst you are down on the ground, kick you in the stomach for daring to remain out of social housing and benefits.

In the Budget, the robotic clown will justify all the BS she will spout just like they are justifying winter fuels full frontal attack on millions of pensioners who dared to remain off benefits.

The level of ignorance (or deceit?) in this article is breathtaking:

Chancellor of the Exchequer

An article calling for greater intergenerational fairness from The Chancellor of the Exchequer in the 2024 Budget.

www.if.org.uk

I guess it proves that you can wrap any argument in favour of a failed ideology in meaningless figures and academic mumbo-jumbo to make it sound credible.

 

[Dryce]

In the Budget, the robotic clown will justify all the BS she will spout just like they are justifying winter fuels full frontal attack on millions of pensioners who dared to remain off benefits.

I think what needs to be remembered is that behind all this Labour clowning is Conservative squandering.

I think Labour has managed in the last 90 days to miss a once in a generation opportunity to come in as the party of sensibility and a bit of brutal honesty. But the likes of Sir Starmer and Ms Rayner are not capable of that - they get tangled by their own weakness and dogma.

They should have used the "22 Billion" to justify reigning in costs on the NHS and railways. They lost that moment. They could have reversed Mr Sunak's reckless NI reductions. They would have then had a platform to sensibly recalibrate the stuff people are now fretting about without so much fretting and spread the necessary tax burdens further. Instead they have given away money - lost control on costs - and now appear pandering and dogmatic and vindictive and even at times utterly stupid.

It feels as if we are in 1975 moment heading through 1976 towards 1979.

 

[ToeKnee]

It's quite possible that all the recent "leaks" have only been released so that the actual "kinder" budget is seen as a relief, and then accepted by all as it wasn't as bad as many thought!

 

[markjay]

The one thing I'll say about 'transfer of wealth'... is that, like energy, the more you move it around, the less you end up with. What we need to do is generate more of it, not transfer it from one place to another.

 

[MSG2004]

It feels as if we are in 1975 moment heading through 1976 towards 1979.

Deja vu of the above indeed and relatively close to LizTruss catastrophe of morainic proportions

 

[MSG2004]

It's quite possible that all the recent "leaks" have only been released so that the actual "kinder" budget is seen as a relief, and then accepted by all as it wasn't as bad as many thought!

100% always the case with a budget but with this lot, more so as they've previously inflicted massage damage on some of the most vulnerable in the UK, namely, stealing the winter fuel payments from 10 million pensioners.

 

[Dippo]

Wales and Scotland can please 'emselves.

Scrap this changing clocks twice a year malarky.

In the past, Scotland has always argued against scrapping the change to the clocks, saying that it would not become daylight until 1000 in the Scottish Isles. So they held the whole nation to ransom for the sake of a few people. I'm not sure exactly what their argument was, because under the current system that means it doesn't get light until 0900 - by which time the farmers have been at work for hours, the kids should all be in school, and 'working people' should be at work.

 

[m80]

herefore if MP's/ministers are taxed more, most likely they can better afford it on the 90k plus wages plus often a free rental or 190 a night hotel room/etc. Don't forget, the basic salary of n MP is over 90 thousand quid of my/your, taxpayers money

Have you aver looked at the MP's expense allowance?
To me it is staggering.
The aim for an MP would surely be to shift as much of the spending onto that allowance. While moats and duck houses aren't likely to be claimed for any longer, it would be interesting to interrogate some of the claims for their necessity and lack of frugal approach.
I can't imagine that a £190 a night hotel would be used to save money.