The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[markjay]

...I think Labour has managed in the last 90 days to miss a once in a generation opportunity to come in as the party of sensibility and a bit of brutal honesty....

And it would have been a very easy task, following the Tory's recent shenanigans.

 

[BIGDOG]

Until recently they were on a different planet.
Being 1 hour different from England seems very moderate in comparison

Could be.
Do you take everything in our world literally?

My not wishing to offend anyone, tooo much, I find if I take everything seriously that we must endure my Guinness intake becomes excessive.

I’ll just assume that you made an exceptionally early start today.

 

[Dryce]

Being 1 hour different from England seems very moderate in comparison

Ms Sturgeon would have grabbed at that as an opportunity to differentiate.

 

[Dryce]

It's quite possible that all the recent "leaks" have only been released so that the actual "kinder" budget is seen as a relief, and then accepted by all as it wasn't as bad as many thought!

Yes.

But that seems to have become rather tangled with the issue of definitions that suggest underlying issues in the way their heads work - making the m look like they are clowns while the press stoke hysteria.

If they were not clowns then they could have managed this better - and as you suggest - stoked a bit of pessimism and then on the day generated some relief and upbeat. But they are clowns so we have the misery of the lead up and no sense that there will be any sense of relief and upbeat when it comes.

 

[190]

A charitable interpretation of the pre budget fiasco would be to accept that taxes do have to be raised and the conservatives would have had to do that too although perhaps not to the same extent. People would have bought that at least to some degree.

However Labours amateurish and spiteful approach has managed to alienate most of the population even before the budget because it feels like Robin Hood is going to relieve us of of our wealth then waste the money instead of giving it to the poor. They really couldn't have managed this worse if they tried. It's Labours self righteous smugness which amounts to dogma that will be their undoing. They are so sure they are in the right that practicality and detail seems to be omitted from their thought process. Even now Starmer will be feeling badly done to as he won't understand why his policies are being questioned. He likely never will so there is little to hope for much improvement.

 

[MSG2004]

I can't imagine that a £190 a night hotel would be used to save money.

Yes, the expsnes on to p - about the 190 - its up to as I said for a hotel room work related ie no rental near Westminsiter, so they can claim up to 190 a night

 

[MSG2004]

In the past, Scotland has always argued against scrapping the change to the clocks, saying that it would not become daylight until 1000 in the Scottish Isles. So they held the whole nation to ransom for the sake of a few people. I'm not sure exactly what their argument was, because under the current system that means it doesn't get light until 0900 - by which time the farmers have been at work for hours, the kids should all be in school, and 'working people' should be at work.

That's correct but they can have their own time, why not?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Shocked to see that Jeff Bezos has vetoed the Washington Post’s plan to endorse Kamala Harris

 

[markjay]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/10/26/western-leaders-should-be-thankful-to-israel/

"Western leaders should be thankful to Israel

At a bleak time in global affairs, a powerful blow has been struck against the most malign regime in the Middle East"

 

[TC350]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/10/26/western-leaders-should-be-thankful-to-israel/

"Western leaders should be thankful to Israel

At a bleak time in global affairs, a powerful blow has been struck against the most malign regime in the Middle East"

It’s behind a paywall.

 

[MSG2004]

A Labour MP

Moment Labour MP Mike Amesbury sucker punched consitituent

This is the shocking moment Labour MP Mike Amesbury punched a male constituent and hit him repeatedly while he lay on the ground.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[markjay]

It’s behind a paywall.

"At a bleak time in global affairs, a powerful blow has been struck against the most malign regime in the Middle East. On Friday night the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) conducted a measured, precise but devastating aerial assault on Iran. More than a hundred Israeli aircraft targeted ballistic missile factories and air defence systems across the Islamic Republic, including Tehran.

The operation appears to have been a complete success. It was a proportionate response to Iran’s missile attack on Israel, civilian casualties were kept to a minimum, and even the Biden administration cannot accuse Israel of “escalation”. Neither nuclear nor oil facilities were hit, thereby denying the mullahs any excuse for unleashing chaos across the region.

Yet Israel has reminded allies and enemies alike of just how formidable its military capabilities are. The IDF has established air superiority over Iran and can destroy its military infrastructure with virtual impunity. Having already decapitated Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel has demonstrated that it could do the same to their masters in Tehran at a time of its choosing. Ayatollah Khamenei, the Supreme Leader, and his vaunted Iranian Revolutionary Guards have been humiliated in their own backyard.

Were Iran to retaliate, Lloyd Austin, the US Defence Secretary, has promised to help defend Israel, doubtless with British support. That is the least we can do for our only democratic ally in the region. Yet while Europe and America have sought to bully Israel into ceasefires, the IDF has methodically set about eliminating the terrorist threat on its border, while checking Iranian power and influence.

The fact is that the IDF’s precision strikes against Iran and its proxies serve our interests as much as Israel’s. That has not deterred Western governments from voicing harsh criticism of the Netanyahu government. Britain is refusing to licence some arms exports to Israel on spurious humanitarian grounds. Such futile gestures are not only insulting to Israelis but infuriate many in this country who sympathise with the embattled Jewish state.

In deference to American sensitivities on the eve of a presidential election, Benjamin Netanyahu has shown restraint on this occasion. The much-vilified Israeli Prime Minister has so far been vindicated in his conduct of a fiendishly complex war on several fronts.

Hence we may expect to see the IDF in action again over Iran before long. Whoever takes over in Washington must be staunch in their support for Israel. So should our own government, whatever “anti-Zionist” Labour MPs may say. The conflict instigated by Iran a year ago is very far from over.

© Telegraph Media Group Holdings Limited 2024"

 

[AMGeed]

I wonder how many column inches will be devoted following another 70 murdered in Gaza after an Israeli attack on a school used as a shelter for displaced civilians? It happens so frequently it's barely given a mention in our press.
Israel churn out the same rhetoric, they are neutralising Hamas fighters. No they aren't. They are committing genocide. They ignore the UN, they are out of control.

Israeli strikes in Gaza kill 70 as UN chief calls civilians’ plight ‘unbearable’

One person killed as truck rams into bus stop in Israel, and Benjamin Netanyahu heckled at memorial event

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dryce]

In deference to American sensitivities on the eve of a presidential election, Benjamin Netanyahu has shown restraint on this occasion. The much-vilified Israeli Prime Minister has so far been vindicated in his conduct of a fiendishly complex war on several fronts.

As the article starts - yes 'A bleak time in global affairs' - as for much of the rest of it I find its congratulatory tone premature and odious.

The viciousness of the October 7th atrocity has achieved just what exactly? Hamas and Iranian grandstanding - and Israel now being lauded for proportionality.

In the midst of all of this - what becomes of Gaza. All sides need to answer this.

 

[markjay]

I wonder how many column inches will be devoted following another 70 murdered in Gaza after an Israeli attack on a school used as a shelter for displaced civilians? It happens so frequently it's barely given amention in our press.
Israel churn out the same rhetoric, they are neutralising Hamas fighters. No they aren't. They are committing genocide. They ignore the UN, they are out of control.

Israeli strikes in Gaza kill 70 as UN chief calls civilians’ plight ‘unbearable’

One person killed as truck rams into bus stop in Israel, and Benjamin Netanyahu heckled at memorial event

www.theguardian.com

Civilian deaths are tragic, but before repeating what 'health officials in Gaza' are saying, you have to wonder - all these reports about civilian deaths, and not a single militant's death? According to Hamas, Israel managed to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza, without hitting a single terrorist. You have to take these reports with a grain of salt. To clarify, I have no doubt that innocent civilians are killed in Gaza on daily basis, my point is that passing judgment on the circumstances of their deaths by simply relying on what Hamas are saying, is foolhardy.

 

[markjay]

As the article starts - yes 'A bleak time in global affairs' - as for much of the rest of it I find its congratulatory tone premature and odious.

The viciousness of the October 7th atrocity has achieved just what exactly? Hamas and Iranian grandstanding - and Israel now being lauded for proportionality.

In the midst of all of this - what becomes of Gaza. All sides need to answer this.

All (Western) eyes are on Iran now, because this is the conflict that could spill-over, Gaza is yesterday news (sadly for the people of Gaza).

 

[Swotty]

And in home news ........

Labour MP Mike Amesbury SUSPENDED

Shocking CCTV obtained by the Mail showed Mike Amesbury send the man to the floor with one punch before raining five further blows onto him in a seemingly unprovoked attack.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I thought Starmer promises Labour would not hit the working man?

 

[mattc]

And in home news ........

Labour MP Mike Amesbury SUSPENDED

Shocking CCTV obtained by the Mail showed Mike Amesbury send the man to the floor with one punch before raining five further blows onto him in a seemingly unprovoked attack.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I thought Starmer promises Labour would not hit the working man?

Except old Two Jabs

 

[190]

Civilian deaths are tragic, but before repeating what 'health officials in Gaza' are saying, you have to wonder - all these reports about civilian deaths, and not a single militant's death? According to Hamas, Israel managed to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza, without hitting a single terrorist. You have to take these reports with a grain of salt.

We only need to recall that last October, one week into this war, the die was cast for the Health ministry to lie and grossly exaggerate everything when they accused Israel of the hospital bombing which the world swallowed hook line and sinker. The reality was that casualties were a fraction of what had been stated and the cause one of Hamas's own missiles. After that I believe a very small fraction of what the health ministry puts out. The worlds media still seem to quote them with very little caution, especially the BBC. Don't even mention the nonsense that the UN puts out. First casualty of war and all that but really the media and the UN are playing for the Hamas team.

 

[MSG2004]

All (Western) eyes are on Iran now, because this is the conflict that could spill-over, Gaza is yesterday news (sadly for the people of Gaza).

"eyes are on iran now.."
A slight risk, but a risk worth taking IMO, ie, take out the Aythotllas and hopefully a moderate leader/uprising will bring change for the better not just for the people of Israel, but Gaza, Lebanon and in particular the ordinary people of Iran who do not have high ranking member in the IRGC etc, etc.

Just look at the threats that used to come about "if you do this..this will be our response" and so on
Hezbollah was seriously hyped up, EG, Hezbollah is much stronger that Hamas," and look what is happening.
So take out Irans leader and let the French send another Aythtolla who is in exile like they did with the infamous
Ayatollah Khomeini. Joking apart regarding the tyrant Ayatollah Khomeini, I seriously believe it is worth taking out the current leader

Then as peace sets in with release of all hostages, ceasefire etc by terror groups downing arms, first remove the Israeli leader along with Istariel settlements in the West bank